What PIR Means

SPEAKER_01 0:00

A lot of you have been asking me what is PIR when it comes to investments. I've got Dave in the house today. He's going to explain to us what is PIR. Hello, Dave.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Hi there. And exciting stuff. Tax Tax Chat, shall we call it?

PIE Funds And Who Pays Tax

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So PIR is what we call a prescribed investor rate. So how investments work, some investments, there are what we call a pie fund or a unit trust, and they will pay the tax at the investor's rate, but they will pay the tax for them. So the prescribed investor rate, let's let's go down the KiwiSaver path, is probably the best way to explain it. You have a KiwiSaver, you pay if you're certain levels of what you earn, you will pay a specific investor rate. However, that rate

PIR Versus Your Tax Rate

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is not the same as your individual tax rate.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Aha. That's where I was going to stop you for a moment. I'm like, okay, so people are paying 30% on their income.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

That is not the PIR rate.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

No, correct. So it is for the two lower ends. So the 33, uh not the 33, sorry, the 15, is it in 23? So yeah, don't um shoot me if I'm wrong. But but basically what happens is that the top rate that you can pay your tax when you're in an investment like that is 28%. And that is capped. So you don't have to go into your accountant and ask them to claim it back. You don't underpay. You don't you that nothing goes through your tax return as such because it's all paid by the unit trust. So everything's done, paid, and then they pay it within the fund itself, and then it's done and you get the return. Couple of things to look out for here. Number one is make sure you've got it right.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Because I was about to say, who prescribes it?

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Make sure you've got it right. So it's prescribed by the government, and then we just have

The 28 Percent Cap Explained

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to adhere to it. But I would make sure that you're running with the right rate. So if you've had a change in circumstance with your roles or your jobs, and you've dropped your maybe you've dropped your salary a little bit, if you overpay your prescript prescribed investor rate, you cannot claim that back. Oh but they will come and take it if you underpay.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

That's unfair.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Yeah, exactly. So so the key is to get that right. So have a look. Um most

Overpaying Hurts Underpaying Bites

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you could search it, you could search PIR, and that will tell you what the rates are and what the limits are for each. Make sure you get that right because A, if you're an investment, you're in KiwiSaver, you're capped at 28%, which is great. So if you're using it as an investment, if you're using it as a retirement vehicle, that's capped at 28. So you won't be paying 33%. If you're a 33% taxpayer or a 39% taxpayer, you won't be paying that if you're in an investment which follows the same rules. You'll just pay the top rate of 28%, and they won't, they won't take any, they won't be asking you to go up to your investment. Normal. Yeah. So so it's a good way, a, if you're already into retirement and you're using Kiwi Saver as a vehicle, great, because it means you're paying less tax. If you're using a type of this type of investment to help you get along or or put some money into outside of maybe a term deposit that doesn't apply, then now you'll be paying tax at 33 and not 28 or 39.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

So I've got some numbers for people. Here we go.

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Here we go.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

So you pay 28% if your income is over $48,000. Yep. Okay. Now you pay 17.5%

The PIR Rate Bands

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if your income is between 14,000 to 48. Yeah. And then you pay 10.5% if your income is up to $14,000. So it's usually children or people not working or people on benefit. Correct.

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Yep.

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So again, get it right and make sure your provider knows what your PIA is. Most providers will have something on their on their client app or their client portal,

Update PIR In Your Provider

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which you can go and input that and change it if you need to. But make sure you you keep up to date with it and make sure it changes with you.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Exactly. Because that that's what I was about to say. That I think the biggest trap we see is where people just sat and forget.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

And this is not a thing here to set and forget because you could be overpaying and you cannot claim it back. We cannot stress this enough. But if you're underpay, they will come for you.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

And if you're having a break and it doesn't, you know, if if one of the parents is having a break to look after the kids, then obviously your salary is going to drop. Make sure you tell your provider because otherwise you're paying 28%.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yeah, absolutely. Awesome, Dave. Thank you so, so much. I think it really, really, really made things simple for people that always see that those three letters, yeah, PIR on their statements, and they just don't know what it means, how it works, how does it apply it to them. And it's a really good way for them to now go, huh? So what I want people to do right now is you're listening to this. If you're driving, obviously don't do that. But if you're listening to this and you're sitting in the office or

Check Your PIR Right Now

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at home, in your bed, wherever, pull up your phone, pull up your apps, have a look. What sort of, and usually you would find it in your settings or under your profile.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

What sort of PIR are you currently on?

SPEAKER_00 4:47

It'll be clear to you, and then most portals will be clear to you what what rate you're on. If it's not clear, the IRD website, my IR, they'll have it on there as well.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Ah, my IR. Awesome. Thank you so much. We did a really good job today. Awesome.