SPEAKER_00: 0:10

Happy New Year, everyone! Welcome back to that Homeland Hub. I hope everyone had a fantastic new year. If you wondering whether you should set up a joint account with your partner or not, this is the episode for you. So listen up. Hello, James. Hey, morning. Morning. Happy New Year.

SPEAKER_01: 0:28

Oh, yeah. I guess it's gonna be a happy new year. It's gonna be a good year. So to as close that, but awesome.

SPEAKER_00: 0:37

All right, James. I was wondering over the over the holidays, I kept thinking about people that get into a relationship and they come from you know different finance backgrounds. Someone could be a spender, someone could be a saver. And then a point comes in their life where they start thinking, should they join their bank accounts and stuff? What are your thoughts on people and when at what point should they join? If they should even join accounts at all.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02

Yeah, and I think there's a third part to that. Is there a point in your life where you should unjoint your accounts?

SPEAKER_00: 1:09

This is like a whole episode of the disjoint.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11

Disjoint? No, unjoint, something like that. Okay. So, you know, because as you get older and you've been with somebody a long time, you might realize that you have different financial goals. And so it might not make sense for you to still have your all your accounts as joint accounts.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28

Okay. So we've got two parts to this episode. Part one, at what point should you join? And part two, at what point should you disjoin those accounts?

SPEAKER_01: 1:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36

All right. Apart from separations, of course. If at all. Awesome. So let's start with the couple. Let's pretend they've just started dating and they're getting serious and they're raising a topic of how to deal with their finances.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50

What do you think is a good way to go there? Well, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52

What did you do? What did we do? Well, I th when we got married, I think we joined no, after about the first year of marriage, we joined accounts. So we what everything was separate because we we both had our own houses. So we both contributed different amounts of equity to the situation. So when we were when we first got married, so I think I wrangled it somehow that I didn't have to pay as much mortgage as what she did because I put more money into the house. So we were still separate accounts at that time, but we had a joint mortgage joint mortgage.

SPEAKER_00: 2:28

So joint mortgage account, like a joint bills account.

SPEAKER_01: 2:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 2:31

And she had her account, you had your account, and in that bills account you would put money, let's say put it 50-50, all proportionate to who put what, and then your bills get paid out of that joint account. Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah. So then she still had her money to have fun with, and you could not question that. And then you had your money to have fun with, and she could not question that.

SPEAKER_01: 2:54

Yeah, I think so. In those early days, that's what we did. And then and then we just you know it became easier to just pull everything together because it's more economical to to to to bring everything together, and we sort of had similar interests, and especially when the ki once the kids come along.

SPEAKER_00: 3:09

I was about to say when you have children, yeah, and one drops the the income, I guess, and then only one is the income winner.

SPEAKER_01: 3:16

It just there's no other way to do it other than shared accounts, so every account is shared. But you know, that might have got to a point now 20 odd years later where you know the kids are teenagers now. Actually, I would like to spend some money on some things I would like to do, and I'm sure Rebecca is the same, but they're different things, and you know, you want to work towards those things without really any handbrak, I suppose. So I think it definitely does make sense to to to join those accounts, but it just it depends on when you're what stage of life you're at. It's it's it's it's it depends on that.

SPEAKER_00: 3:53

I think having open conversations about it is vital. You know, how does the other person feel about having those joint accounts or not having joint accounts? Because one could be an absolute spender, yeah, and the other one could be an absolute saver. And let's imagine if they've got joint accounts and one keeps earning money, putting all the money into that account, and the other person just keeps spending without a thought.

SPEAKER_01: 4:18

Yeah, and I think that's in the beginning, maybe that's a little bit like what we were like, and I think that was why it was maybe perhaps scary. I think it was scary for Rebecca. Scary for Rebecca. Because you spend so much, no, because I'm yeah, I don't like I hate spending money and Rebecca's impulsive and stuff like that, but she's we've both moderated our you know where where we're at in the continuum. I've I've I've come more towards the middle and so is she. So we're more more even in that regard. So it's kind of worked out.

SPEAKER_00: 4:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 4:46

But yeah, I think it was pretty scary for her in in the beginning to to to join accounts.

SPEAKER_00: 4:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 4:51

But it it happened pretty naturally.

SPEAKER_00: 4:53

Because the problem what we see sometimes is on the other side of it when people are wanting to separate, and then if everything was joined, and if only one person was in charge of everything, then the other person, usually it's a woman, feels disadvantaged because then suddenly she wants to leave the relationship and she can't because she doesn't have any money of her own.

SPEAKER_01: 5:12

Yeah, well, I think you've really gotta get involved. I mean, uh Rebecca and I, we've always equally involved. I mean, I look at a lot of we both know how to do it. You know, we've both worked with each other to help each other understand all the different things. Everything's talked about and shared pretty much. So if you're in that if you're in that spot, you need to you need to get aggressive about it and try to aggressive in which in which manner? Uh not not the beating up kind, but in in terms of your education of what's going on in your accounts. Because you that's your responsibility.

SPEAKER_00: 5:46

And that's the problem as well that we try to explain to people sometimes is that you know you both are responsible for the finances. Like if one, if you get a mortgage together, you both have to keep an eye on it. You can't just rely on the other person to be paying the bills and keeping on top of that mortgage. Because what if the other person has gambling issues and has been gambling all the way when you think the bills are getting paid and they're not? And there have been stories like that where people suddenly find themselves at a mortgage e-sale and they don't understand how it happened because the other partner has let them down.

SPEAKER_01: 6:16

Yeah, and sometimes the the you know, even in the older age groups, the the male has even with the bit with business situations, they don't always let their partner go out, know what's going on in the business, and then suddenly the business goes bankrupt. The partner, the the wife didn't know anything about it, and it's like, how the hell did that happen? And suddenly they've got nothing. So there's no communication about things that go wrong. You know, we I think we try to we try to talk about it's really it's hard to do, but you've got to talk about all the things that go wrong.

SPEAKER_00: 6:51

Yeah, and and I think that's a really good loop to come back to as in the beginning of relationship when you do want to join accounts or when you're thinking about joining accounts, think about the exit plan. What will it look like if you were to separate? Yep. But also look about other good fun stuff. I remember when I was married and my husband wanted to buy me stuff and he couldn't easily because everything we had was joined. Yeah. So that was there came a point where he said to me, Look, I would like to have my own separate accounts. So then I can put money aside. If I want to buy you something, I can do so without you knowing how much I spent.

SPEAKER_01: 7:25

Yeah, and you can, and that's something I'm quite interested in doing now that we're getting to that. Buy me presents? No, you don't have to for a backup. Yeah. Okay, I could just get you both presents, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00: 7:37

But you're, you know, it's it's a good point to make as well, right? Because uh I think what people need to do, and that comes back to your budgeting advice, you know, when they sit down is to go, okay, I earned this much, you earn this much, this is how much our bills are, you know, how much fun money can we have? Yeah, and can we put that fun money aside? And then we can do with that money as we please.

SPEAKER_01: 7:57

Yep. And so so what I would suggest is it's really easy for you to you need an account that's not joined with somebody else. That's your like we're we're saying, even if it's not for the same reasons, but just you need something that's yours. Yeah, and if the person that you're with doesn't understand that you need something like that, then then that's interesting, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:20

Um another case in point, actually, it sounds a bit grim right now, but I know a couple that recently, a girl, she passed away, she was only 31, 32 years old, and everything was joined with her husband, and he went to the bank to say, look, she passed away, and you know, but unbeknownst to him, the bank actually has to lock those joint accounts straight away until he produces the death certificate, the probate, and everything else. So, unfortunate for him, uh his rent account got frozen. Yeah, so this is where all the money was for the rent, and now he has to untangle that all and have accounts in his own name to pay for the rent, to pay for the bills, you know, to pay for the joint, you know, things. So that's another spin into the things.

SPEAKER_01: 9:03

I don't think that happened with my parents when when when my mum passed away.

SPEAKER_00: 9:08

Well, they didn't have a mortgage probably. No, they didn't, no, but there would have been there would have been something that uh the bank does usually put a hold on the accounts. But his problem was he went and told them straight away. If you don't tell the bank, they wouldn't. But if you told the bank, then they're obliged to.

SPEAKER_01: 9:22

Yeah, we wouldn't have been uh that onto it.

SPEAKER_00: 9:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 9:25

So again, I still see clients thing mortgages statements and stuff, and you know, uh where the partner is still on the mortgage statement, yeah, and that could have they could have passed away four or five years ago.

SPEAKER_00: 9:38

Yeah, so if if you've gone through the probate and estate process, then usually the bank can open up those accounts again and keep that person's name, but it just says estate off. Yeah. But if if it if they didn't have a mortgage and if it was just a joint account, then yeah, it does get. And same in um abusive relationships. So if let's say it's a joint account and a woman goes in and says, Oh, we've broken up, the bank puts a hold on it straight away as well. So this is where you know having that separate account and putting money aside does matter.

SPEAKER_01: 10:10

Yeah, and it's really easy to set up a your own account. You don't need anybody else's approval. You can you can uh I'm pretty sure I've done that. Uh um anyway. Hopefully Rebecca's listening.

SPEAKER_00: 10:22

And it's easy, right? Uh these days, everything can be opened online. You can just go online, open an account with any bank you want. And to be honest, I would suggest even having a completely separate account, like a bank bank. Yeah, you know, if you've got joint accounts at ASB and this is where your mortgage is, this is where your bills are, you can either open an individual account with ASB, or you can go and go, okay, I'll try A and Z, or I'll try B and Z.

SPEAKER_01: 10:46

Absolutely. And even, you know, even if everything's going perfectly, I think it's still a good idea to have something in your own name.

SPEAKER_00: 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 10:53

Do you know what I mean? That an account in your own name to, you know, it's just a good backup plan.

SPEAKER_00: 11:00

Totally. I would love to hear people's thoughts on that, to be honest, and see what uh what they've done and how their life panned out.

SPEAKER_01: 11:07

Yeah, well, I'm certainly leaning towards like, okay, so we our kids are 16, 17, just getting we've probably got one more one more year of them being at home when they're going to uni. But you know, there's why I would be quite interested in having my own just uh Rebecca and I having a separate account, still having everything in jointly, but having a separate account so that we can so I can put some of my money aside because I want to do cycling events, right? I want to travel to cycling events. Uh Rebecca's really into animals and things like that, and their bees and and all that kind of stuff. So you still combine most of your bills like and into the joint account, but just put aside a little bit of money for your own the things that you really want to do in the future. So that I think that if you're finding it hard to do the things that you want to do financially because you know you're you're everything's combined, then that could be a way to the way to do it.

SPEAKER_00: 12:07

I think there is a strength to coming together and collectively achieving something, like bigger financial goals. Yeah. You know, pulling your money together and buying a house or investing. But then there also is a power in your own if you're doing stuff where you to make yourself better, to make yourself feel better, or to pursue those interests.

SPEAKER_01: 12:30

Because yeah, uh you gotta get the balance right. Because like, you know, I'm coming up to we were just laughing before, like I'm I'm thinking I'm already on fifty, right? And and then, you know, this time is gonna go by s so quickly, and if you don't do those things that you wanna do, yeah, it's it's over. You know, you're too old to do them.

SPEAKER_00: 12:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 12:48

So you've really got to start now.

SPEAKER_00: 12:50

Awesome. On this note, we will conclude this episode. Thank you, James, and I look forward to hearing from you again.

SPEAKER_01: 12:56

Cool.

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Bye.

SPEAKER_00: 12:57

Thank you. Bye.